Comments on: The challenge of engagement http://ycorpblog.com/2007/11/06/the-challenge-of-engagement/ Thu, 18 Mar 2010 13:07:19 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.1 hourly 1 By: Brady King http://ycorpblog.com/2007/11/06/the-challenge-of-engagement/comment-page-2/#comment-102751 Brady King Tue, 13 Nov 2007 23:52:54 +0000 http://yodel.yahoo.com/2007/11/06/the-challenge-of-engagement/#comment-102751 Dudes, Not buying it. Your tortured (pun intended) rationalization doesn't fool thinking folks. How do you sleep at night? Dudes,

Not buying it. Your tortured (pun intended) rationalization doesn’t fool thinking folks.

How do you sleep at night?

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By: EHAM http://ycorpblog.com/2007/11/06/the-challenge-of-engagement/comment-page-2/#comment-101090 EHAM Fri, 09 Nov 2007 23:09:48 +0000 http://yodel.yahoo.com/2007/11/06/the-challenge-of-engagement/#comment-101090 Yahoo obeyed a Chinese court and provided information that they were legally obligated to provide. We have laws here in the U.S. It happens that the laws in China are different. You might not like it, but you have to respect it. I love freedom of speech. Unfortunately, Chinese citizens don't have that luxury. Let's take the focus off of Yahoo and place the focus on the Chinese criminal who broke a Chinese law. Yahoo obeyed a Chinese court and provided information that they were legally obligated to provide. We have laws here in the U.S. It happens that the laws in China are different. You might not like it, but you have to respect it.

I love freedom of speech. Unfortunately, Chinese citizens don’t have that luxury.

Let’s take the focus off of Yahoo and place the focus on the Chinese criminal who broke a Chinese law.

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By: Brian Parson http://ycorpblog.com/2007/11/06/the-challenge-of-engagement/comment-page-2/#comment-101048 Brian Parson Fri, 09 Nov 2007 19:22:44 +0000 http://yodel.yahoo.com/2007/11/06/the-challenge-of-engagement/#comment-101048 Spin it anyway you want, but the bottom line is that you sold out to the Chinese goverment and gave them the names of freeedom fighters. I hope you have a change in policy and heart. Money ain't everything. Spin it anyway you want, but the bottom line is that you sold out to the Chinese goverment and gave them the names of freeedom fighters. I hope you have a change in policy and heart. Money ain’t everything.

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By: Maggie http://ycorpblog.com/2007/11/06/the-challenge-of-engagement/comment-page-2/#comment-101039 Maggie Fri, 09 Nov 2007 18:17:34 +0000 http://yodel.yahoo.com/2007/11/06/the-challenge-of-engagement/#comment-101039 Well said Hardik! Well said Hardik!

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By: musicians for peace http://ycorpblog.com/2007/11/06/the-challenge-of-engagement/comment-page-2/#comment-101026 musicians for peace Fri, 09 Nov 2007 17:23:28 +0000 http://yodel.yahoo.com/2007/11/06/the-challenge-of-engagement/#comment-101026 Now it looks like Google CEO Eric Schmidt and chief legal officer David Drummond might get to make the same tour. According to reports, Google helped the Indian government track down an Orkut member whose crime was posting an insulting picture of an Indian historical figure. But wait, there's more. After Google handed over their member's IP address, Indian police took the information to the matching Internet service provider. Problem is, the ISP then narc'd the wrong guy, a poor sap named Lakshmana Kailash K. So to review, because of Google's strict adherence to Indian laws, a man ended up spending three weeks in jail, wrongfully accused of what again? Oh yes: having an opinion contrary to the government's. Will Google get the same treatment as Yahoo? Now it looks like Google CEO Eric Schmidt and chief legal officer David Drummond might get to make the same tour.

According to reports, Google helped the Indian government track down an Orkut member whose crime was posting an insulting picture of an Indian historical figure.

But wait, there’s more. After Google handed over their member’s IP address, Indian police took the information to the matching Internet service provider. Problem is, the ISP then narc’d the wrong guy, a poor sap named Lakshmana Kailash K. So to review, because of Google’s strict adherence to Indian laws, a man ended up spending three weeks in jail, wrongfully accused of what again? Oh yes: having an opinion contrary to the government’s.

Will Google get the same treatment as Yahoo?

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By: Silicon Valley http://ycorpblog.com/2007/11/06/the-challenge-of-engagement/comment-page-1/#comment-100955 Silicon Valley Fri, 09 Nov 2007 07:19:29 +0000 http://yodel.yahoo.com/2007/11/06/the-challenge-of-engagement/#comment-100955 At its core, Yahoo! was served with a valid legal notice and complied. The consequences were unfortunate for the journalists. But if the CIA or FBI served Baidu in the US a legal notice for information pertaining to a suspected terrorist, what would we want them to do? Obviously to comply. Yahoo! - your PR folks need to do a better job of handling this issue and presenting the case as it is - not defensively and apologetically. At its core, Yahoo! was served with a valid legal notice and complied. The consequences were unfortunate for the journalists. But if the CIA or FBI served Baidu in the US a legal notice for information pertaining to a suspected terrorist, what would we want them to do? Obviously to comply.

Yahoo! – your PR folks need to do a better job of handling this issue and presenting the case as it is – not defensively and apologetically.

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By: Lily Northrop http://ycorpblog.com/2007/11/06/the-challenge-of-engagement/comment-page-1/#comment-100948 Lily Northrop Fri, 09 Nov 2007 06:20:53 +0000 http://yodel.yahoo.com/2007/11/06/the-challenge-of-engagement/#comment-100948 As another commenter posted above, anyone who thinks that yahoo was morally wrong is a HIPOCRITE of the highest order. If you don’t want to be a HIPOCRITE you better be prepared to be mostly self-sufficient and not buy ANY foreign products or patronize any company that does business in third world locations or China. many of the businesses you patronize, products you buy, etc…..are involved in child labor and other hideous practices. Here's a question for all the arm chair politicians posting their comments here: Do you or does anyone in your family wear anything made by the Gap, Old Navy, or Banana Republic? how about Nike? how about all those nifty gadgets you love so much? do you think any of the children making those products you are wear or use were abused or neglected by their employers? for that matter, you also need to get rid of most of the stuff in your office (including home office). In short, anything that says, "Made in China" needs to go, otherwise you are justa hipoctite spewing opinions while you sit comfortably in your Chhina)inese made socks (90% of all socks are made in China) Most everyone posting here is what I would call an “armchair freedom fighter”. If you really want to make a difference stop wearing any clothing made in china and give-away all your gadgets made in china immediately....good luck with that! I bet not a single poster here can do that!! Simply relying on the media for your information is a great way to live in denial. As another commenter posted above, anyone who thinks that yahoo was morally wrong is a HIPOCRITE of the highest order.

If you don’t want to be a HIPOCRITE you better be prepared to be mostly self-sufficient and not buy ANY foreign products or patronize any company that does business in third world locations or China. many of the businesses you patronize, products you buy, etc…..are involved in child labor and other hideous practices.

Here’s a question for all the arm chair politicians posting their comments here:

Do you or does anyone in your family wear anything made by the Gap, Old Navy, or Banana Republic? how about Nike? how about all those nifty gadgets you love so much? do you think any of the children making those products you are wear or use were abused or neglected by their employers? for that matter, you also need to get rid of most of the stuff in your office (including home office). In short, anything that says, “Made in China” needs to go, otherwise you are justa hipoctite spewing opinions while you sit comfortably in your Chhina)inese made socks (90% of all socks are made in China)

Most everyone posting here is what I would call an “armchair freedom fighter”.

If you really want to make a difference stop wearing any clothing made in china and give-away all your gadgets made in china immediately….good luck with that!

I bet not a single poster here can do that!!

Simply relying on the media for your information is a great way to live in denial.

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By: edward lee black http://ycorpblog.com/2007/11/06/the-challenge-of-engagement/comment-page-1/#comment-100906 edward lee black Fri, 09 Nov 2007 00:49:29 +0000 http://yodel.yahoo.com/2007/11/06/the-challenge-of-engagement/#comment-100906 I am appalled at the behavior outlined in this week's House of Representatives hearing. How could you? Shame, shame, shame! Count me as one who will never advertise, clink on links, or in anyway use Yahoo! that could make you money. I will gladly use your free services hoping that I can exploit the exploiters that helped put these two Chinese men in jail. Everyday Michael Callahan remains as your legal counsel you show you approve and countenance either incompentence, perfidy, or both. I am so disappointed in you. I can never remove from my mind either the phrase "moral pygmies" as relating to Yang and Callahan and the sight of the jailed Chinese man's mother bursting into tears when Rep. Lantos demanded you apologize to her. Please know that I am praying for Yang and Callahan - God knows they need it. I am appalled at the behavior outlined in this week’s House of Representatives hearing. How could you? Shame, shame, shame! Count me as one who will never advertise, clink on links, or in anyway use Yahoo! that could make you money. I will gladly use your free services hoping that I can exploit the exploiters that helped put these two Chinese men in jail. Everyday Michael Callahan remains as your legal counsel you show you approve and countenance either incompentence, perfidy, or both. I am so disappointed in you. I can never remove from my mind either the phrase “moral pygmies” as relating to Yang and Callahan and the sight of the jailed Chinese man’s mother bursting into tears when Rep. Lantos demanded you apologize to her. Please know that I am praying for Yang and Callahan – God knows they need it.

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By: Justen http://ycorpblog.com/2007/11/06/the-challenge-of-engagement/comment-page-1/#comment-100893 Justen Thu, 08 Nov 2007 23:15:48 +0000 http://yodel.yahoo.com/2007/11/06/the-challenge-of-engagement/#comment-100893 I have to echo one of the comments from above: even if it is completely inadequate, the words "I am sorry" are glaringly missing here. If it comes down to a choice of turning over information that will lead to the imprisonment of an individual for exercising a fundamental human right, or a choice of not turning that information over and potentially not doing business in that country, the latter choice is the only conscionable one. You should have known better. If even, for a moment, you thought of the human impact of your decision, you had to have known better. "Empowering" people with all the information of the world means nothing if you then cooperate to silence individuals who exercise their freedom of expression. I thought the definition of "pygmy" is sadly succinct: "an insignificant person, especially one who is deficient in a particular respect." In this situation, the actions of individuals at Yahoo! who allowed this to happen were inhumanely morally deficient. Please, apologize. Please, do everything you can to try and help the situation with regard to the families hurt by your mistakes. And, please, Mr. Callahan, you must go. Justen Deal I have to echo one of the comments from above: even if it is completely inadequate, the words “I am sorry” are glaringly missing here.

If it comes down to a choice of turning over information that will lead to the imprisonment of an individual for exercising a fundamental human right, or a choice of not turning that information over and potentially not doing business in that country, the latter choice is the only conscionable one.

You should have known better. If even, for a moment, you thought of the human impact of your decision, you had to have known better. “Empowering” people with all the information of the world means nothing if you then cooperate to silence individuals who exercise their freedom of expression.

I thought the definition of “pygmy” is sadly succinct: “an insignificant person, especially one who is deficient in a particular respect.” In this situation, the actions of individuals at Yahoo! who allowed this to happen were inhumanely morally deficient.

Please, apologize. Please, do everything you can to try and help the situation with regard to the families hurt by your mistakes. And, please, Mr. Callahan, you must go.

Justen Deal

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By: Philipp Lenssen http://ycorpblog.com/2007/11/06/the-challenge-of-engagement/comment-page-1/#comment-100891 Philipp Lenssen Thu, 08 Nov 2007 22:59:37 +0000 http://yodel.yahoo.com/2007/11/06/the-challenge-of-engagement/#comment-100891 Why do you hide what happened even in this blog post? Why does it seem like a long-winded apology for something you don't even mention, don't even admit to in this post you wrote? Why can't you be frank and tell people what Yahoo did, acknowledgement of the situation at hand as a first step towards improvement? Why do you hide what happened even in this blog post?
Why does it seem like a long-winded apology for something you don’t even mention, don’t even admit to in this post you wrote?
Why can’t you be frank and tell people what Yahoo did, acknowledgement of the situation at hand as a first step towards improvement?

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By: rich moser http://ycorpblog.com/2007/11/06/the-challenge-of-engagement/comment-page-1/#comment-100873 rich moser Thu, 08 Nov 2007 20:39:16 +0000 http://yodel.yahoo.com/2007/11/06/the-challenge-of-engagement/#comment-100873 Well, I can't claim to know the whole story but based on what I read in the papers and now in this statement, Yahoo did wrong in releasing that user's identity. They should admit their mistake and get ready for their punishment, which I hope will be losing a lot of money. I know it will be a long time before I personally use Yahoo for anything again. Well, I can’t claim to know the whole story but based on what I read in the papers and now in this statement, Yahoo did wrong in releasing that user’s identity. They should admit their mistake and get ready for their punishment, which I hope will be losing a lot of money. I know it will be a long time before I personally use Yahoo for anything again.

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By: Bill Knapp http://ycorpblog.com/2007/11/06/the-challenge-of-engagement/comment-page-1/#comment-100868 Bill Knapp Thu, 08 Nov 2007 20:03:33 +0000 http://yodel.yahoo.com/2007/11/06/the-challenge-of-engagement/#comment-100868 Gentlemen: I've been using the Yahoo homepage as long as I can remember Yahoo for my personal email for about the last 2 years, and I really like you. But I must tell you I'm seriously considering dropping your services permanently because of the revelations concerning your actions in China. America didn't become a beacon because we based decisions on greed; we became a beacon because we put principles first. Think right, speak right, act right, be right. Respectfully, Bill Knapp Gentlemen:

I’ve been using the Yahoo homepage as long as I can remember Yahoo for my personal email for about the last 2 years, and I really like you. But I must tell you I’m seriously considering dropping your services permanently because of the revelations concerning your actions in China. America didn’t become a beacon because we based decisions on greed; we became a beacon because we put principles first. Think right, speak right, act right, be right.

Respectfully,
Bill Knapp

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By: Stavros http://ycorpblog.com/2007/11/06/the-challenge-of-engagement/comment-page-1/#comment-100824 Stavros Thu, 08 Nov 2007 16:05:30 +0000 http://yodel.yahoo.com/2007/11/06/the-challenge-of-engagement/#comment-100824 Perhaps what you did wasn't perfect, but rest assured that if you had not given the same cooperation to the United States government, the repurcussions would have been far more serious. Those politicians that scold you for your mis-steps are hypocrites. Nonetheless, can we trust you, or not? Don't tell us the answer, show us. Perhaps what you did wasn’t perfect, but rest assured that if you had not given the same cooperation to the United States government, the repurcussions would have been far more serious. Those politicians that scold you for your mis-steps are hypocrites.

Nonetheless, can we trust you, or not? Don’t tell us the answer, show us.

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By: Dawnna http://ycorpblog.com/2007/11/06/the-challenge-of-engagement/comment-page-1/#comment-100788 Dawnna Thu, 08 Nov 2007 14:49:38 +0000 http://yodel.yahoo.com/2007/11/06/the-challenge-of-engagement/#comment-100788 I have watched the reports of Yahoo's decision to turn over users' identifying info to the Chinese government with not a small amount of trepidation. What Yahoo has done is morally reprehensible. Adding insult to injury is Yahoo's stance that because China bought part of the company, you are off the hook. That is the most self-serving, asinine copout I have heard in a long while. The Chinese government's treatment of dissidents is well documented and should be no great surprise to the board members and shareholders at Yahoo. What the devil did you people think the Chinese government would do with the information? Did you think they were going to politely ask him to please not say anything bad about the government, or perhaps reward him for pointing out their shortcomings? I believe to the depths of my soul that the decision makers at Yahoo sold the man out with full knowledge of the repercussions he would face, all for the sake of a dollar. I find is especially abhorrent that you try to justify these actions by blaming it on the "Chinese Yahoo!". You are still major sharholders and shareholders do have a say in corporate decisions. It has been said that politics make strange bedfellows, but greed can put you in bed with some ugly folks as well. Instead of selling out to the Chinese, why not stand up to them? Does Yahoo need the customers that badly? Knowing the past actions of the Chinese government in relation to those seeking freedom and justice in China, I believe you put your company in this position by selling out to a Chinese company in the first place. Any one with half a brain and one eye could have seen this coming. Moral pygmies may have been the strongest thing Chairman Lantos could thing of to represent the character of your actions, but the American public has powerful vocabulay and I'm sure there are more to come. I will no longer use Yahoo and I will urge every friend, relative, co-worker and acquaintance I know to join me in boycotting your company. I have watched the reports of Yahoo’s decision to turn over users’ identifying info to the Chinese government with not a small amount of trepidation. What Yahoo has done is morally reprehensible. Adding insult to injury is Yahoo’s stance that because China bought part of the company, you are off the hook. That is the most self-serving, asinine copout I have heard in a long while.

The Chinese government’s treatment of dissidents is well documented and should be no great surprise to the board members and shareholders at Yahoo. What the devil did you people think the Chinese government would do with the information? Did you think they were going to politely ask him to please not say anything bad about the government, or perhaps reward him for pointing out their shortcomings? I believe to the depths of my soul that the decision makers at Yahoo sold the man out with full knowledge of the repercussions he would face, all for the sake of a dollar.

I find is especially abhorrent that you try to justify these actions by blaming it on the “Chinese Yahoo!”. You are still major sharholders and shareholders do have a say in corporate decisions. It has been said that politics make strange bedfellows, but greed can put you in bed with some ugly folks as well. Instead of selling out to the Chinese, why not stand up to them? Does Yahoo need the customers that badly? Knowing the past actions of the Chinese government in relation to those seeking freedom and justice in China, I believe you put your company in this position by selling out to a Chinese company in the first place. Any one with half a brain and one eye could have seen this coming.

Moral pygmies may have been the strongest thing Chairman Lantos could thing of to represent the character of your actions, but the American public has powerful vocabulay and I’m sure there are more to come. I will no longer use Yahoo and I will urge every friend, relative, co-worker and acquaintance I know to join me in boycotting your company.

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By: Tony http://ycorpblog.com/2007/11/06/the-challenge-of-engagement/comment-page-1/#comment-100656 Tony Thu, 08 Nov 2007 04:41:48 +0000 http://yodel.yahoo.com/2007/11/06/the-challenge-of-engagement/#comment-100656 Nice job Yang. You threw a man in jail interested in human rights. I guess we know where Jerry Yang stands if the choice is between human rights or yahoo dollars. Utterly disgusting!! Now tell me how is Yahoo making this world a better place?? Nice job Yang.

You threw a man in jail interested in human rights. I guess we know where Jerry Yang stands if the choice is between human rights or yahoo dollars. Utterly disgusting!!

Now tell me how is Yahoo making this world a better place??

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By: silicon valley insider http://ycorpblog.com/2007/11/06/the-challenge-of-engagement/comment-page-1/#comment-100652 silicon valley insider Thu, 08 Nov 2007 04:33:26 +0000 http://yodel.yahoo.com/2007/11/06/the-challenge-of-engagement/#comment-100652 everyone here who has posted that they will no longer use yahoo are nothing more then hipocrits of the highest order unless they stop buying anything made in China and refuse to do business with any company that does busines with china. good luck with that. everyone here who has posted that they will no longer use yahoo are nothing more then hipocrits of the highest order unless they stop buying anything made in China and refuse to do business with any company that does busines with china.

good luck with that.

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By: Shelley Tang http://ycorpblog.com/2007/11/06/the-challenge-of-engagement/comment-page-1/#comment-100614 Shelley Tang Thu, 08 Nov 2007 03:12:52 +0000 http://yodel.yahoo.com/2007/11/06/the-challenge-of-engagement/#comment-100614 Shame on you, Jerry Yang! Shame on you, Yahoo! I can't believe what you did to a Chinese journalist: 10 years in prison! I'm a stock holder and have used Yahoo for many years. This is what I'm going to do: sell the stock, stop using Yahoo services and urge all my friends to do the same. I want to have nothing to do with a company that takes greed over justice. I also found your apology insincere. You better back up your apology with some actions! Shelley T. Shame on you, Jerry Yang! Shame on you, Yahoo! I can’t believe what you did to a Chinese journalist: 10 years in prison!

I’m a stock holder and have used Yahoo for many years. This is what I’m going to do: sell the stock, stop using Yahoo services and urge all my friends to do the same. I want to have nothing to do with a company that takes greed over justice.

I also found your apology insincere. You better back up your apology with some actions!

Shelley T.

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By: Nancy Gould http://ycorpblog.com/2007/11/06/the-challenge-of-engagement/comment-page-1/#comment-100567 Nancy Gould Thu, 08 Nov 2007 02:04:37 +0000 http://yodel.yahoo.com/2007/11/06/the-challenge-of-engagement/#comment-100567 The fact that you are basically the cause of another person being harmed in China makes me feel differently about yahoo and its business. You are not going to jail or being fined though the person in question has been jailed and probably tortured because of your indiscretions...What are you doing to help this person? The fact that you are basically the cause of another person being harmed in China makes me feel differently about yahoo and its business. You are not going to jail or being fined though the person in question has been jailed and probably tortured because of your indiscretions…What are you doing to help this person?

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By: Non Yab http://ycorpblog.com/2007/11/06/the-challenge-of-engagement/comment-page-1/#comment-100553 Non Yab Thu, 08 Nov 2007 00:50:24 +0000 http://yodel.yahoo.com/2007/11/06/the-challenge-of-engagement/#comment-100553 After Mr. Yang's action I must change my home page to something else. Yahoo was my favorite but I cannot support a company that does this sort of thing. Makes one wonder just how much Mr. Yang has shared with the Chinese government and for what REAL purpose. I guess with the "required information" in this post I have been turned over to the Communist also. And we always thought the Russians were the enemy. After Mr. Yang’s action I must change my home page to something else. Yahoo was my favorite but I cannot support a company that does this sort of thing. Makes one wonder just how much Mr. Yang has shared with the Chinese government and for what REAL purpose. I guess with the “required information” in this post I have been turned over to the Communist also. And we always thought the Russians were the enemy.

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By: Jerry http://ycorpblog.com/2007/11/06/the-challenge-of-engagement/comment-page-1/#comment-100550 Jerry Thu, 08 Nov 2007 00:30:54 +0000 http://yodel.yahoo.com/2007/11/06/the-challenge-of-engagement/#comment-100550 Here's another American who will never again use a Yahoo service. This entire episode disgusts me, as does the self-serving letter regarding his testimony posted on line by your CEO. I will write my Congressional representatives and let them know that I feel additional hearings must be held to explore how an American corporation could participate so willingly in a conspiracy to destroy the life of an advocate for democracy and freedom. Here’s another American who will never again use a Yahoo service. This entire episode disgusts me, as does the self-serving letter regarding his testimony posted on line by your CEO. I will write my Congressional representatives and let them know that I feel additional hearings must be held to explore how an American corporation could participate so willingly in a conspiracy to destroy the life of an advocate for democracy and freedom.

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By: Kathleen Dichirico http://ycorpblog.com/2007/11/06/the-challenge-of-engagement/comment-page-1/#comment-100545 Kathleen Dichirico Thu, 08 Nov 2007 00:17:48 +0000 http://yodel.yahoo.com/2007/11/06/the-challenge-of-engagement/#comment-100545 Please cancel my email account with Yahoo. I will not be using your services since my privacy is not safe with your company. I will also encourage my friends and relatives with Yahoo email addresses to create new accounts with different companies. Only after Yahoo takes active steps to correct the harm it has done to individuals, families and human rights in China, will I be willing to consider Mr. Yang's pathetic excuses on this blog. Obviously, greed for Chinese profits is more important to Yahoo than standing up for human rights. Mr. Yang, do the right thing. Use your power to correct these wrongs. Kathleen Dichirico Please cancel my email account with Yahoo. I will not be using your services since my privacy is not safe with your company. I will also encourage my friends and relatives with Yahoo email addresses to create new accounts with different companies.

Only after Yahoo takes active steps to correct the harm it has done to individuals, families and human rights in China, will I be willing to consider Mr. Yang’s pathetic excuses on this blog.

Obviously, greed for Chinese profits is more important to Yahoo than standing up for human rights. Mr. Yang, do the right thing. Use your power to correct these wrongs.

Kathleen Dichirico

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By: Jeffrey Gary http://ycorpblog.com/2007/11/06/the-challenge-of-engagement/comment-page-1/#comment-100542 Jeffrey Gary Wed, 07 Nov 2007 23:43:19 +0000 http://yodel.yahoo.com/2007/11/06/the-challenge-of-engagement/#comment-100542 “We share a personal responsibility to maintain our customers’ loyalty and trust.” Really it's more of a guidline than a rule! “We share a personal responsibility to maintain our customers’ loyalty and trust.”

Really it’s more of a guidline than a rule!

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By: Jay Rome http://ycorpblog.com/2007/11/06/the-challenge-of-engagement/comment-page-1/#comment-100538 Jay Rome Wed, 07 Nov 2007 23:36:43 +0000 http://yodel.yahoo.com/2007/11/06/the-challenge-of-engagement/#comment-100538 Let's face it...you actively helped the Chinese government throw a man, a civil rights activist at that, in prison. When you look around and see the faults of the world and wonder how things go so screwed up look no further than your own actions. Let’s face it…you actively helped the Chinese government throw a man, a civil rights activist at that, in prison.

When you look around and see the faults of the world and wonder how things go so screwed up look no further than your own actions.

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By: Proud American http://ycorpblog.com/2007/11/06/the-challenge-of-engagement/comment-page-1/#comment-100537 Proud American Wed, 07 Nov 2007 23:34:06 +0000 http://yodel.yahoo.com/2007/11/06/the-challenge-of-engagement/#comment-100537 I'm using a fictitious email, although you greedy big brothers can probably detect my address anyway. I'm disgusted that a Chinese American that escaped a totalitarian society chose to cave in for a few sheckles. In a just society he would be stripped of his wealth and shipped back to mainland China. The "buck" stops at the top. It's a shame he can walk away with all his millions, meanwhile a man with a conscience sits in a prison cell for voicing what Jerry was given by merely stepping on America's shore...An opinion! I’m using a fictitious email, although you greedy big brothers can probably detect my address anyway. I’m disgusted that a Chinese American that escaped a totalitarian society chose to cave in for a few sheckles. In a just society he would be stripped of his wealth and shipped back to mainland China. The “buck” stops at the top. It’s a shame he can walk away with all his millions, meanwhile a man with a conscience sits in a prison cell for voicing what Jerry was given by merely stepping on America’s shore…An opinion!

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By: Erika http://ycorpblog.com/2007/11/06/the-challenge-of-engagement/comment-page-1/#comment-100524 Erika Wed, 07 Nov 2007 22:48:02 +0000 http://yodel.yahoo.com/2007/11/06/the-challenge-of-engagement/#comment-100524 Jerry Yang- You are a disgusting liar who probably had one of your assistants write this. Someone needs to teach you what "moral" and "ethical" mean. Where were these sentiments when you were in front of the commity?! You looked bored and had no good responses or plans to repare your misgivings. In a world where the internet and technology are now leaders, you should be setting a moral example. I'm going to set a moral example now by becoming a FORMER Yahoo user. Jerry Yang-
You are a disgusting liar who probably had one of your assistants write this. Someone needs to teach you what “moral” and “ethical” mean. Where were these sentiments when you were in front of the commity?! You looked bored and had no good responses or plans to repare your misgivings. In a world where the internet and technology are now leaders, you should be setting a moral example. I’m going to set a moral example now by becoming a FORMER Yahoo user.

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By: Errol Reiter http://ycorpblog.com/2007/11/06/the-challenge-of-engagement/comment-page-1/#comment-100522 Errol Reiter Wed, 07 Nov 2007 22:40:51 +0000 http://yodel.yahoo.com/2007/11/06/the-challenge-of-engagement/#comment-100522 Yahoo acts as the agent of the Chinese government to censor search results. Yahoo is not the victim of Chinese government censorship, they are the active censors for their Chinese government master. Yahoo has now done even more "services" for its Chinese government master and in the process assisted in the imprisonment of one guilty only of speaking out for individual liberty. Yang's argument that actively restricting freedom is promoting freedom is devious and deceptive doublespeak. Yahoo has done and continues daily to do evil. Yang, by defending and ordering this intentional past and continuing behavior, shows that he is evil. If Yang orders Yahoo to do this for foreign authoritarian leaders, imagine what information Yang has ordered Yahoo to provide to American political leaders who also claim unrestricted authority to spy upon us. I will no longer do anything which generates money for Yahoo. I will no longer click on any search result or advertisement on Yahoo, thus to avoid generating any click charges or register any chargeable ad views. Yahoo acts as the agent of the Chinese government to censor search results. Yahoo is not the victim of Chinese government censorship, they are the active censors for their Chinese government master.

Yahoo has now done even more “services” for its Chinese government master and in the process assisted in the imprisonment of one guilty only of speaking out for individual liberty.

Yang’s argument that actively restricting freedom is promoting freedom is devious and deceptive doublespeak.

Yahoo has done and continues daily to do evil.

Yang, by defending and ordering this intentional past and continuing behavior, shows that he is evil.

If Yang orders Yahoo to do this for foreign authoritarian leaders, imagine what information Yang has ordered Yahoo to provide to American political leaders who also claim unrestricted authority to spy upon us.

I will no longer do anything which generates money for Yahoo. I will no longer click on any search result or advertisement on Yahoo, thus to avoid generating any click charges or register any chargeable ad views.

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By: Jim Vittal http://ycorpblog.com/2007/11/06/the-challenge-of-engagement/comment-page-1/#comment-100521 Jim Vittal Wed, 07 Nov 2007 22:31:28 +0000 http://yodel.yahoo.com/2007/11/06/the-challenge-of-engagement/#comment-100521 I am a huge fan of Yahoo and I have been for a long time with that said it is best to remember that even though you do have a impact in China you are doing so on the governments terms. China does not stand for freedom and after Iraq perhaps we shouldn't be defining freedom for anyone. China did have a serious freedom movement that was crushed, they do steal patents, industrial and military secrets, they attack us in space just to see if they can do it. They dump cheap unsafe products into this country and they buy up our dept so they can leverage at a time they choose. Any informed person would know that the government is not a friend to America. If I was Yahoo I would ask myself if you would put up with the same restrictions in this country as you do in China. Would you turn in a American working in China if that was the cost of doing business. Good luck with however this turns out for you, it's going to be a PR nightmare. I am a huge fan of Yahoo and I have been for a long time with that said it is best to remember that even though you do have a impact in China you are doing so on the governments terms. China does not stand for freedom and after Iraq perhaps we shouldn’t be defining freedom for anyone. China did have a serious freedom movement that was crushed, they do steal patents, industrial and military secrets, they attack us in space just to see if they can do it. They dump cheap unsafe products into this country and they buy up our dept so they can leverage at a time they choose. Any informed person would know that the government is not a friend to America. If I was Yahoo I would ask myself if you would put up with the same restrictions in this country as you do in China. Would you turn in a American working in China if that was the cost of doing business.
Good luck with however this turns out for you, it’s going to be a PR nightmare.

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By: Eric LongBeach http://ycorpblog.com/2007/11/06/the-challenge-of-engagement/comment-page-1/#comment-100520 Eric LongBeach Wed, 07 Nov 2007 22:27:48 +0000 http://yodel.yahoo.com/2007/11/06/the-challenge-of-engagement/#comment-100520 Mr Yang, While you have 'invested your professional life' in Yahoo have you forgotten your personal values -- if you had any at all. Your actions sacrificed a human being -- Chinese journalist Shi Tao -- and his family. There is nothing 'professional' in this. I think Michael Callahan and Yahoo CEO Jerry Yang sold out every person that uses Yahoo -- both domestic and foreign. I thought Yahoo would place greater moral standings above the almighty dollar. This might sound extreme but in light of the Bush Administrations fascist fear-driven privacy violation policies and other US corporations collusion with this policy I think my feelings are justified. And while you might argue this is a Chinese government issue it goes MUCH further then that. For a long time I had the misconception Yahoo was different. You've trashed your VALUES and alienated a loyal customer. Grow a back-bone Mr Yang. Mr Yang,

While you have ‘invested your professional life’ in Yahoo have you forgotten your personal values — if you had any at all. Your actions sacrificed a human being — Chinese journalist Shi Tao — and his family. There is nothing ‘professional’ in this.

I think Michael Callahan and Yahoo CEO Jerry Yang sold out every person that uses Yahoo — both domestic and foreign. I thought Yahoo would place greater moral standings above the almighty dollar. This might sound extreme but in light of the Bush Administrations fascist fear-driven privacy violation policies and other US corporations collusion with this policy I think my feelings are justified. And while you might argue this is a Chinese government issue it goes MUCH further then that. For a long time I had the misconception Yahoo was different. You’ve trashed your VALUES and alienated a loyal customer. Grow a back-bone Mr Yang.

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By: Andrea http://ycorpblog.com/2007/11/06/the-challenge-of-engagement/comment-page-1/#comment-100517 Andrea Wed, 07 Nov 2007 22:06:07 +0000 http://yodel.yahoo.com/2007/11/06/the-challenge-of-engagement/#comment-100517 You state that your purpose is "Powering communities to create indispensable experiences, built on trust". I strongly urge you to re-write it, especially the "indispensable" and "trust" part after YOUR decision to turn the records of several activists over to the Chinese government. I will no longer have Yahoo as my homepage and will use Google instead. It is a huge disappointment that after using and liking Yahoo for so long it came to this. How can you sleep at night? I hope you are doing something about getting the men sentenced to 10 years out of prison and you learn to value true freedom of speech without succumbing to pressure from governments that try to stop it. Sincerely, Andrea Leon-Grossmann You state that your purpose is “Powering communities to create indispensable experiences, built on trust”.

I strongly urge you to re-write it, especially the “indispensable” and “trust” part after YOUR decision to turn the records of several activists over to the Chinese government.

I will no longer have Yahoo as my homepage and will use Google instead. It is a huge disappointment that after using and liking Yahoo for so long it came to this.

How can you sleep at night? I hope you are doing something about getting the men sentenced to 10 years out of prison and you learn to value true freedom of speech without succumbing to pressure from governments that try to stop it.

Sincerely,
Andrea Leon-Grossmann

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By: kj arbiter http://ycorpblog.com/2007/11/06/the-challenge-of-engagement/comment-page-1/#comment-100506 kj arbiter Wed, 07 Nov 2007 21:12:13 +0000 http://yodel.yahoo.com/2007/11/06/the-challenge-of-engagement/#comment-100506 Jerry, your sentiment seems heartfelt. I'm sure you're enjoying the money you made off the China deal a lot more now that you feel better about offering lip service about how sorry you feel. Yeah, you're sorry. Sorry about getting caught and having the spotlight on you. But really, all of America is in bed with China now and are complicit in its human rights abuses, including child labor, whether we want to be honest about it or not. Any why, because commerce is king and democracy is only as good as we are committed to it being an important value to us. Meanwhile, everyone gets to bash Yahoo and Jerry and feel justified. Jerry, your sentiment seems heartfelt. I’m sure you’re enjoying the money you made off the China deal a lot more now that you feel better about offering lip service about how sorry you feel. Yeah, you’re sorry. Sorry about getting caught and having the spotlight on you. But really, all of America is in bed with China now and are complicit in its human rights abuses, including child labor, whether we want to be honest about it or not. Any why, because commerce is king and democracy is only as good as we are committed to it being an important value to us. Meanwhile, everyone gets to bash Yahoo and Jerry and feel justified.

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